[MacMahon] Nash: 'I never took it to the heights that the numbers validate in today's day and age, where I probably should have shot the ball 20 times a game. It probably would have made a lot more sense.'

纳什：我从来没有达到过现代篮球中那样的高度，也从来没有获得过令人吃惊的数据。 我可能每场比赛都得投篮20次左右。 这对球队来说可能更有意义。

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[] [ was ] johnwallzeek 215226指标前10小时

Nash was too selfless as a player. He loved setting up his teammates so much but his shot was always amazing. If he had a bit more selfishness in him he definitely would have taken more shots I think, but every player has their unique personality.

球迷：作为球员，纳什真的很无私。 他总是为队友铺垫一切，但他的投篮技术实际上也令人难以置信。 如果他有点自私的话会投出更多的球，但是所有的球员都有他最独特的品质。

[]Bullswylin24764指標9時間前

Same thing as cp3 imo.

粉丝：其实保罗也是。

[] [ NBA ] kobebryantjmeeker 86189指标7小时前

To an extant, but CP3 also has that 'fuck, my teammates are being extra stupid tonight, I'm going to have to try to take over this game' mode that he goes in sometimes.

确实是这样，但保罗也同样说：“妈的，队友今晚是笨蛋。 我必须站起来承担比赛”的模式，所以他有时会有杀神单枪匹马的模式。

[] [ mia ] joejohnsongot _ too _ much _ dayum 49指标前7小时

Prime Example: Game 5 against the Jazz

热火球迷：最近的例子：西部半决赛对爵士的第五球。

[]钉钉2指标41分钟前

that game was nutty. couldnt miss in the last 5 minutes

那场比赛太疯狂了，他在最后五分钟一球也没能扔出来。

[]Bullswylin24742指標7時間前

He doesn't do that often though, that's the problem. Even when he was with the Clippers, he should have been the number 1 option in the 4th quarters and shoot most of the shots cause he is money from mid range but clips always tried making Griffin the number 1 option.

公牛球迷：保罗的问题是他不会开启独狼模式。 事实上，快船的时候，他应该在第四节成为球队的首选，应该有无限的击球权。 毕竟保罗的中距离击球和扣杀一样，但速船总是把格里芬作为球队的首选。

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[]LakersAlex94Xela49指標7時間前

Thats why this Harden Cp3 thing is going so well i think.

湖人球迷：这就是哈登、保罗如此般配的原因吧。

[]Bullswylin24739指標7時間前

Harden is a legit first option though, cp3 should have been the number 1 guy on the Clippers.

球迷：哈登无疑是最强的首选，但保罗在快船上应该是首选。

[]lakersboisic2指標1時間前

CP3 Harden works so well because they're both elite on ball (playmaking, ISO) and off ball (shooting). It's an insane combination. They can pretty much take turns being no 1 option in this system

湖人球迷：哈登和保罗如此匹配的原因是他们在球方面真的很好。 这是一个强大的联盟，他们可以在火箭这个系统中轮流作为首要选择。

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[]MichOnne84412指標7時間前

Nash took over a lot too. Especially in the playoffs. Phoenix just did better when he would score like 20 and have around 15 assists. That was usually a guaranteed victory for them.

实际上，纳什接管了很多比赛。 特别是在季后赛中，纳什在20分左右得到15次助攻的时候，太阳实际上打得更好了。 这对他们来说就像是胜利保障。

[]miceland10指標3時間前

This is true, but there's a lot of self selection to these stats

Nash's preference was to get 15 assists, so if he did that, that means the gameplan was working. I'm sure Nash's team's have a somewhat disappointing record when he goes for 30, but that's because he only goes for 30 when no one else can make a shot

it's like russ's triple double stat. Of course OKC has a good record when Russ gets a triple double--hes out there hunting triple doubles. If he doesnt get a triple double, that means something has already gone wrong

确实是这样，但是这些数据有很多无奈的选择。

如果纳什能获得15次以上的助攻，这意味着太阳比赛计划正常运转了。 当纳什得到30多分的时候，我确信他的球队一定有很多令人沮丧的比赛结果。 但这是因为别人不能创造投篮机会。

所以他有机会得到30分以上。

这就像是威斯布鲁克比赛平均三双的数据，显然威少自然地获得三双比他不能获得三双时更容易赢。 如果他没能赢得三双，就意味着雷霆比赛计划出了一些问题。

[] cavaliersitssensei 12指标6小时前

ooffensebutthatjustsoundslikeyoudidn’twatchnashplayenough.hetookovergamesfromtimetotimewithhisscoring.hewouldscoreeenougggggin

He would break up double teams, switch the big man on himself and slash in, shoot that random pull up 3 while licking his finger.

骑士球迷：无意冒犯，但听起来你好像没怎么见过纳什打球。 他也能通过得分多次接手比赛。 他可以通过得到足够的得分使球队回到正规状态，然后重新开始传球。

他可以被夹击，通过屏障向对面的大个子轻轻一挥，然后沿着守备队的手莫名其妙的后手命中三分左右。

[] [ NBA ] kobebryantjmeeker 86指标6小时前

That's not really what I'm talking about. When Nash would do it it was the methodical style within the system that made you look at the box score afterwards and say 'whoa, when did he end up with 40 points' instead of the hero ball 'fuck the system because it's not working, I'm doing it myself' style, so it was still a selfless team first approach while CP3 is the passive aggressive 'can't win with these cats' approach.

这实际上不是我们讨论的。 当纳什接手比赛时，你仍然感到非常有序和有序。 这不是在比赛后看了数据统计后感叹“哇，纳什最后得到了40分”，也不是总是看那个英雄球，而是说“该死的系统运行得不好。

我还是自己来”的感觉，所以他依然是无私的团队风格。

保罗遇到这种情况充满了消极的侵略性，他会觉得“我和这些猫一起比赛也赢不了”。

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[]ShanMustafa84指標10時間前

one of the most efficient players ever and it ended up being to a fault

I've always had the same problem with him and CP

If they had shot 2-4% less FG, but were taking more shots I wouldn't have had any problems with it

thetimenashwasactuallymoreaggressivehewasinsane，24/5/11 for the 04-05 playoffs， himbeingmoreaggressivelookingforhisshotactuallyopenedupalotmoreforhimbecausethedefensehadtoaccountforhimevenmore，andbecause

纳什毫无疑问是历史上最有效率的运动员，但最终以失败告终。

关于他和CP3，我总是有同样的疑问。

如果他们的命中率下降了2%到4%，然后扔出更多的球，我对此没有任何疑问。

当时的纳什只要开启侵略模式就无敌了。 在04-05赛季的季后赛中，比赛是24 5 11。 他的侵略性使得他的每一个射门都显得空缺。 防守者必须小心他的传球，因为他是天然的传球手。

他总是找机会做辅助攻击。

[] supersonicsscizzurp 39指标前10小时

Nash and CP3 especially CP3 played it too much on the safe side. CP3 is a more natural scorer and he had handles to break down the defense and could get to more spots on the floor and often times CP3 would let a bum like Crawford take shots, he should be taking.

超音速球迷：纳什和保罗，特别是保罗小心翼翼地战斗。 CP3实际上是一次天然的离别，运球可以突破对方的防守，可以在球场上获得更多的空位投篮机会。 根据情况，CP3实际上像克劳福德一样打球。

他也可以像克劳福德拔起来跳投的，他也应该投这些球的。

[]Lakersso-cal_kid 29 指標10小時前

CP3 also had much more quickness/explosiveness in his younger years.

湖人球迷：年轻的时候，保罗更快、速度更爆炸哦。

[][LAL] Brandon IngramStarved-Nutritionist 6 指標4小時前

It's still debatable if CP3 was the real MVP in 2008 over Kobe. CP3 was putting up insane numbers at the age of 22 for a pass-first PG. 21.1 ppg and 11.6 apg with 2.1 spg on .488% FG/.369% 3pt/.851% FT.

Dude even had three 40+ pt games, and the New Orleans Hornets won all 3 of those games. He had two 20+ assist games, too, which the Hornets also won.

I can't help but wonder if he could've averaged 25 ppg if he hadn't been so selfless. If he had been focused on averaging as many points per game as possible, CP3 would've been that guy with multiple 30+ pt/15+ assist games in his younger days.

Anyway, I'm obviously not discounting Kobe in 2008. I just think the winner of the 2008 MVP title is definitely more debatable than most of us Lakers fans would like to admit, especially when you consider the Hornets won 56 games in 2007-08 after an abysmal 39 win season in 2006-07.

湖人球迷：在2008年的MVP评比上实际上一直存在争议：那就是保罗和科比究竟谁更强。

保罗当年在以传球第一的情况下依然拿到了不可思议的数据，当年他不过22岁，场均21.1分、11.6次助攻并且有2.1次抢断，投篮命中率为48.8%，三分球命中率为36.9%，罚球命中率高达85.1%。

这家伙那个赛季拿过三次40分以上，新奥尔良黄蜂拿下了其中的3场，他还有两场20次以上助攻的比赛，黄蜂也都赢了。

我一直会情不自禁地想如果他不那么自私的话，他是不是场均能拿25分，如果他专注于场均得分的话，他可能在年轻的时候能多次拿到30分以上且15+助攻的数据。

不管怎么说，我并不是质疑2008年科比MVP的含金量，但是我只是觉得2008年的MVP要比很多湖人粉丝想象的要有争议得多，尤其是黄蜂2007-08赛季赢了56场比赛，而上一个赛季他们不过39胜。

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[]Rocketsplaytio 170 指標11小時前

I know there have been many fantastic PGs but he's my favorite by a long shot. I wouldn't change the way he played.

火箭球迷：尽管如今有那么多梦幻且强大的控球后卫，但是我爱的一直是纳什，我一点都不想改变他打球的方式。

[]kilmerindigo 155 指標10小時前

Back then if a player took a 3 and missed, the commentators would say ‘oh they’ve got to find a better shot than that’. Then your uncle would hear that shit, so he’s saying it every damn time someone bricks a 3. Then you start thinking it when you watch games and some idiot shoots a 3 instead of feeding it into the post. Then 15 years later some asshole starts draining 30 footers at a high clip and you’ve got to change your entire goddam mentality.

过去那些优秀的后卫投了三分又投丢了，那些批评家们会一直说“他们需要找一个比这个更好的出手方式。

”然后你的教练什么的会听到这些消息，然后每次投打铁三分的时候他就会喋喋不休，然后你就开始想投这些三分是不是过于愚蠢，与其打铁不如老老实实把球喂给禁区。

然后十五年过去了，投超远三分又开始流行起来，结果你告诉我我又要开始改变自己整个的想法。

[][SAS] Derrick WhitePartickNotPatrick 119 指標9小時前

flashbacks to NBA Live 08 and Steve Kerr endlessly criticizing my transition pull-up 3s

马刺球迷：回到NBA Live 08里面，我每次在转换进攻后仰三分的时候史蒂夫-科尔都会不停地批评我。

[]76ersone_throwaway_a_day 82 指標9小時前

Well well well. How the turntables

76人球迷：好吧好吧……失误数据栏上又添一笔。

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[][DAL] DeShawn Stevensonjonnyjonessunkenship 52 指標10小時前

Suns could have reached their higher limits if it wasn’t for a hip check and tim Donaghy

独行侠球迷：如果没有那次霍利恶意冲撞，太阳或许能达到更高的目标。

[]killbill469 28 指標11小時前*

Mike D'antoni Nellie (two of the greatest and innovative offensive minds in basketball history, who also coached Nash): 'He could have been a 25 + ppg scorer if he put his mind to it '

r/nba: 'No man, scoring that many points is just too hard for a skinny nonathletic kid like Nash'

迈克-德安东尼以及Nellie：“纳什如果愿意将精力放在得分上，他可以成为一个场均25分以上的得分手。

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[]LeBrontosaurusRex 40 指標11小時前

He already is one of the GOATs, especially at his position.

纳什早已是史上最佳之一了，尤其是在控卫这个位置。

[]Clippersflushyriver 2 指標3小時前

Fun fact, when Nash was 29 after 9 seasons he had 4,180 assists and 767 3s in 625 games. Curry after 9 seasons, at the age of 29 has 4,227 career assists and 2,129 3s in 625 games. That's almost 500 more 3s than Nash had his whole career.

Yet if Curry plays 9 more seasons for some reason, he would need to average about 700 assists a season (approximately 8.5 apg) to catch Nash before he retires. Really speaks to the longevity of Nash's career.

快船球迷：有一个有趣的小事实，当纳什满29岁的时候，他有4180个助攻，并且在625场比赛中命中了767个三分球，库里在九个赛季以后也是29岁，

他职业生涯已经有了4227个助攻并且在625场比赛中命中率2129个三分，这已经比纳什整个职业生涯的三分球命中数还要多500个了。

然而如果库里在多打九个赛季，他需要单赛季拿下大约700个助攻才能追上纳什退役前的总助攻数，不得不说纳什的职业生涯也是很长啊。